Discussion about English only forum

[Gast]

@ admins: can we split the themes, please?

When having one forum in (e.q. one language) the info is more accessible
for everyone (who speak English........

yes, who speak English........ and the rest?

in the last four years we have only a hand full new or actualised modules, only for example: modules from Ruud, cwsoft, freesBee, Stefek, Chio, Martin Hecht etc. All this modules are show'n in the english thread and in the german, but never in the german threads only. All messages for the deveplopers are in english, so i did'nt see your problem's.
if you take a look to the nederlands area, you found a lot of support answers from me there. i work in this country for nearly two years, so i understudd a little. Maybe my answers are in bad english, but it solved the most problems there. okay, sometime i need a google translater, but where is the problem? in all my years here the user language was never a problem for me, why it is now a problem for you?
i try to look to "the other side from the desktop" in the eyes of the user with the problem. not everybody is a developer like you, the most of them have only html basic's and knowing nothing about coding standards & languages. if you read the threads, you see, thats is difficult for many people, to explain the problem in their own and native language, doesnt matter, in which language. And its harder, if you have to explain this in a foreign language. make a self-try and write your next problem in a german thread.  
i know, it is no problem to talk with Darkviper etc in english, also with the module coders, so where is the problem? Write your Questions in the english area and you found a english answer there.

I mean, one of the big points for WB was the forum support in all languages.

I'm sure, if you close the german area here and now, the most of the german speaker goes to a another system or forum with a german support.
Why not a poll about this? a little explain about the problem / the idea, to use the forum in english only and maybe two questions
- How important is the german area for you?
- Do you see any Problems for you, if we close this area?

i understudd, that its not easy for you (and all of us) to follow some discussions, if you dont talk this language and i see also the problem, that sometimes a problem-solution is "lost" in a foreign language thread, but the german-speakers-area is not the mother of all WB-Problems

The German-only development of WB

a german-only-development? Where do you see something like this? have you ever start a (english) discussion about the developement in the last 3 or 4 years? If yes, was the answer's in english or in the bad german only?
Take a look into the Core, there is no german words in the code comments. the only importent information about the development in german, was the info, that WB goes to OOP. Okay, Dietmar has a fight with the death in last year and Werner is now Manu, but these are more private informations

[Stefek]

I don't think that one english forum solves the problem to satisfy all users and also do not think that this is an royal road. This would penalize "old members" that don't speak English so well.

I think it is depending on several factors like defined targets of future way from WB(and other factors) that potentially interested users should know. This would make the decision much more easier for new potential interested people to take WB as their favorite CMS or take over from another CMS. I also think if this future way is more visible for new interested people, WB will begin to grow(more) and (maybe)more supporters for english language will come in the future to WB.

I also believe that would be found a good solution for the future.

Agreed.

What lacks is basicly a holistic vision. And contemporary should it be.
WebsiteBaker is stuck in 2008 when it comes to innovation.

[Stefek]

What's wrong with russian?

Nothing!
my russian was good enough for the uni in moscow and for the translation with the russian army in the gdr, but i dont use it in the last 20 years   

Yes, the russians are good engineers, too. That's correct.

I wasn't speaking russian for almost 20 years myself. But somehow the events of last year promted me to relearn bits of it. 

[justy]

I don't think that one english forum solves the problem to satisfy all users and also do not think that this is an royal road. This would penalize "old members" that don't speak English so well.

I think it is depending on several factors like defined targets of future way from WB(and other factors) that potentially interested users should know. This would make the decision much more easier for new potential interested people to take WB as their favorite CMS or take over from another CMS. I also think if this future way is more visible for new interested people, WB will begin to grow(more) and (maybe)more supporters for english language will come in the future to WB.

I also believe that would be found a good solution for the future.

[Gast]

What's wrong with russian?

Nothing!
my russian was good enough for the uni in moscow and for the translation with the russian army in the gdr, but i dont use it in the last 20 years   

[Stefek]

Question: why not russian? if putin comes, you have to learn it 

What's wrong with russian? Liked to learn russian. Funny letters. Sounds even better than german. Particularly when they curse. 

[Stefek]

Haha,

I am from Poland and live in Poland. What's the problem. Just learn german and all will be good.



No, I am kidding here. But actually it's more likely that you learn german than the Germans start writing english.

[Tez Oner]

kick all the german speakers and close the german forum areas - and maybe the last 3 english speakers save the (WB-)world

I didn't say 'German'   but to make it more clear; English is
(besides a coding language or you code in german heheheheh

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alst(diese und diese == iets){ dan noch-iets; } I know
germans (with all respect, just like French like their language) but
then be consistent, there also a lot of eastern EU so why not a forum
in Romanian, Polish, Russian (Jacobi's fav), Armanian, Czech, Slovak
etc.

When having one forum in (e.q. one language) the info is more accessible
for everyone (who speak English, doesn't have to do with a nationality.)

Cheerz,

Tez Oner

[Luisehahne]

I think, we all together will be going to find a solution. My English too is very bad, we are some old guys and have problemes with other languages as German. It's not so easy for us.

I agree with all your statements, it's very difficult to satisfied all users German and English.

Dietmar

[Gast]

And if you want to make it 'international' start with 1 forum in English, it's 2015 right

Yeah, thats, what i mean - germans are not longer welcome here
kick all the german speakers and close the german forum areas - and maybe the last 3 english speakers save the (WB-)world

good luck

Question: why not russian? if putin comes, you have to learn it 

[Tez Oner]

Eey,

some things as I see it, I guess there's a lot of WB developers (mostly not programmers)
who would love to contribute to WB - But (and that one of hella butt) to get 'involved'
in for example the development of WB is unclear, there's no 'public' Github' to commit,
communication with main developers (which I guess are at the moment from Germany)
doesn't not always goes well (read don't even get a reply), and that's from own experience.
Also the progress / milestones / plans are not clearly communicated (which are important to
addons / template developers!).

With all respect this are some fundamental issues that cause WB not to 'breakthrough'
and keep up with features from other CMS's, that a 'newby' would expect from a CMS.
Also the fact that 'commercial' addons or templates seem not to have that 'support' from
the forum, tho when you look at bigger picture these paid additions (mostly give software a
more brought functionality).

There's a lot of talents in the WB community but only to push is not the way, WB should
also 'pull' and keep up the dialog.

And if you want to make it 'international' start with 1 forum in English, it's 2015 right

(hehehe just reading it's maybe kinda off-topic - but relevant).


Cheerz,

Tez Oner

[Yetiie]

[just OT and a maybe not bad information]


Yesterday we in the german forum wie had a hard discussion about bootstrap ... doesn't matter in detail here.

The anger about the situation between the active german users is great and it was not easy at all to calm things down asside from the topic of the thread.

But there was an positive anouncement of the organisation team. There will be an official meeting soon where the election to the Board Members of the organisation will happen and they will think about the situation and work on an concept for the future.

For some users of the german thread this has been a positive information and gave them hope for some time ... we will see. And for myself I don not(!) believe the team does not recognize the real situation ... the signs are to clear not to realize the truth ... but it is allways hard to admit that the former way is not a good one and that the own way has not been successful.

Maybe we should give them a chance for reorganizing
And help ... even international(!) help ... is welcome too I believe.

My hubble opinion: Developers are indeed needed ... but helpers to develop the plattform (including internet page and presentation i.e.) are needed too (maybe more) at the moment.

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[Gast]

I never said and never will say that Germans are not welcome here. That's total crap, and I don't understand you suggest I mean something like that.

i'm sure, that Argos means nothing like this

[Argos]

Jacobi, you turn things completely around. WB has been an English system from the start (it was a project of Ryan, an Australian guy). Only after many years a german subforum was started, for German users to discuss the USE of WB. After that at some point WB as a project was taken over by a German "Verein", but as far as I know it has never been the goal to discuss development in the German forums only.

WB is an international platform, and the common international language for web related stuf is English. Even if your English is not good, it's almost never a problem to understand each other.

The German-only development of WB is not a good thing, and I have stated that before. It limits the collaboration of the international community. That's why I think it is one of the reasons WB is going downhill.

All nationalities are welcome, I never said and never will say that Germans are not welcome here. That's total crap, and I don't understand you suggest I mean something like that. But Germans should discuss development things in the English forum, as far as I am concerned.

And now, let's keep this discussion about the real subject: the adoption of the ProCalendar module.

[Gast]

Many developing discussions take place only in the German forums, and in my opinion that is one of the reasons of the decreasing popuarity and development of WB...

Totally agree with you.

i'm not agree with this, my english is not good enough for english discussions about technical questions. The most here active USERS are german speakers and i'm not a deveploper i was a simple and little supporter. Sometimes my bad english was good enough to help the english speakers, but if i translate the words from argos word by word - i am one of the reason of the decreasing popuarity and development of WB - why i talk in my native language 
i'm sure, that Argos means nothing like this, but it is the result of this words - german speakers are not welcome here (in the future)
That the forum goes more and more to a english-speaker-only-area is one of the points, why i leave WB, its time to make place for the new and modern people

[Boudi]

Too bad you (both) are leaving too. I have plans for WB but need experienced users between the newbies.

Many developing discussions take place only in the German forums, and in my opinion that is one of the reasons of the decreasing popuarity and development of WB...

Totally agree with you. Let's hope that the (only) German speaking/writing users are starting to realize when this exodus keeps continuing there's no WB left soon.

WB simply needs developers in order to create and mantain mods. Without that WB will die. And that's a shame because I've tested a LOT of cms but always went back to wb. So there's a reason for that.