Core Web Vitals problem with FCP and LCP

[svsanchez]

Hello hgs and DarkViper, thank you for replying.

Hgs, on my last post the good grades are mainly because the Show_menu2 is *NOT* appearing, hence the Server Response Time is great.

The ads contribute to blocking the main thread, which is another problem, and over which there is nothing that can be done since they are not hosted on our server, but Google's server.

However, WB does seem to have a problem with bigger sites when the menu is shown, as you can see on my tests, especially this one which uses the BLANK template with only the Show_menu2, and the Server Response time goes to almost 4 seconds!

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deguate.com.gt%2Fguatemala%2Flimpieza%2Fpapel-higienico.php&tab=mobile

If I remove the menu, the problem is gone and the page appears immediately!

So I definitely think that there is a problem with the way WB treats the menu in bigger sites.

You can see the same problem happens on my other big site (also more than 3000 pages):

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deguate.com%2Fmunicipios%2Fpages%2Fizabal.php&tab=desktop

The server response time is about 6 seconds when the menu is shown!

Is there a way to generate the menu without causing this problem?

[DarkViper]

  Very nice, I love the new criteria and have been waiting for them for years ...
Finally a very good reason to ditch all those inflationary JavaScript frameworks that are mercilessly slowing down so many websites.

Manuela

[hgs]

Actually, all measures are in the analysis.
Here is just an example, unfortunately in German, that should see you but then in English.

Aufwand für Hauptthread minimieren 10,6 s
Versuchen Sie, die Zeit für das Parsen, Kompilieren und Ausführen von JavaScript zu reduzieren. Die Bereitstellung kleinerer JS-Nutzlasten kann dabei helfen. Weitere Informationen
Kategorie
   
Zeitaufwand
Script Evaluation
   
6.846 ms
Other
   
1.422 ms
Style & Layout
   
822 ms
Script Parsing & Compilation
   
742 ms
Parse HTML & CSS
   
361 ms
Garbage Collection
   
232 ms
Rendering
   
209 ms

Aufwand für Hauptthread minimieren 10,6 s
Versuchen Sie, die Zeit für das Parsen, Kompilieren und Ausführen von JavaScript zu reduzieren. Die Bereitstellung kleinerer JS-Nutzlasten kann dabei helfen. Weitere Informationen
Kategorie
   
Zeitaufwand
Script Evaluation
   
6.846 ms
Other
   
1.422 ms
Style & Layout
   
822 ms
Script Parsing & Compilation
   
742 ms
Parse HTML & CSS
   
361 ms
Garbage Collection
   
232 ms
Rendering
   
209 ms

On these things, loading external scripts, WebsiteBaker has no influence.

That WebsiteBaker works, you have proven with the last post itself.

[svsanchez]

One new test, with the main template but WITHOUT the SM2 menus and without the ads. I am getting grades 88 and above on Mobile and 98 and above on Desktop.

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deguate.com.gt%2Fguatemala%2Flimpieza%2Fmantenimiento-de-limpieza.php&tab=mobile

It is normal for ads to degrade the performance of a page, but the menus shouldn't be causing this huge server response time problem.

ALSO, I am not being able to lower the LCP.

Any suggestion to fix these 2 things would be greatly appreciated!

[svsanchez]

Ok, so it seems I found the main problem regarding the slow server response: as soon as I add the categories menu (SM2), the grades of the page go down to 91 / 92 with a server response time of almost 4 seconds before showing anything on the screen 

Is there a way to make the categories respond faster?

[svsanchez]

Hello again, I was able to get a 100 perfect score with one of my pages using the BLANK template:

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deguate.com.gt%2Fguatemala%2Flimpieza%2Fpapel-higienico.php&tab=mobile

So, we can confirm that the problem is NOT the server NOR WebsiteBaker. There seems to be *something* in the template that is causing the site to respond so slowly at first.

[svsanchez]

Hello everybody!

As you know, Google will start taking into account the Core Web Vitals (CWV) for ranking websites from May. I couldn't find any information about optimizing Website Baker for CWV, the only thread in the forum was in German but it didn't offer much advice (I don't speak German)

I am trying to get my main Website Baker site to the green zone, but I am failing miserably because the FCP and LCP are taking too long.

Here is an example test via Google's PageSpeed Insights:

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deguate.com.gt%2Fguatemala%2Fagricultura.php&tab=mobile

The main problem seems to be the Server Response Time, which leads to the bad grades that I am getting, BUT the strange thing is that I am getting very good scores on THIS SAME server for my main site, which is NOT using WB. You can notice that when you click on any internal link on the site, it takes more than 6 seconds to "respond", which is not normal (when I upgraded to WB 2.10.x or 2.12.x I had to wait for up to 1 minute so I had to revert to 2.8.3).

So, I guess it is NOT a server issue, but something maybe something regarding the Database? (My site has more than 3000 pages).

Some of you had tried to help me with the slowliness of the pages when I upgraded to 2.10.x / 2.12.x but we were only able to accelerate the backend with a modified index.php file which only loads the current section instead of loading the whole site's tree.