WB 2.7 Layout

[Bramus]

that looks cool, only hope it also works good.

[doc]

Hi Escpro,

nice video, thanks for putting the stuff in this thread for the public.

Regards Christian

[escpro]

edit: ACC is commercial works now...
Infos about ACC -> Visit www.escpro.de


DOC (Christian) ask me to put a screen of my Admin Layout here
and ... ok its funny to design the layout but ...
my personal think... F**k the Backend Style
-> Get on Desktop Base  
escpro.de/media/ACC/ACCbasic.htm - esc ACC (light)
Live:
http://www.escpro.de/admin/login/index.php
GreenFields are intern data .. sry
image delete

Gruß Escpro

[chio]

 

[escpro]

WOOOOOW whats that ?? a big thread about the (my) design ...thats not real...


Escpro

[Bramus]

no i didnt, had not reloaded the page my bad, i was browsing it at school and then left the pc for what is was on firefox and when i was at home i suddenly changed to this tab and thought damn need that for checking it out

[Argos]

Don't you see the download link? 

[Bramus]

nice layout, hope you are willing to share it here

[hrioo]

Thanks SaBREN, here's the zip file.

First backup your admin folder with all its contents. Again backup the contents of your admin folder, then copy contents of this zip file into your admin folder. I have tested this on a default WB 2.7 English installation only.

To change text for any menu item, the appropriate language file in the root directory has to be edited.

I haven't tested to see if the modified css & html files validate & please don't blame me if this breaks your installation. If it does you can simply restore your admin folder from your backup and return to your previous installation.

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[SaBRENT]

hrioo,
  Nice work you have there, I think it would be a good thing to share.

[hrioo]

Hello,

I made a new backend template based on CSS and here are some snapshots. The header & footer html files in the "interface" folder are completely based on CSS with no tables. I also changed the start page in admin area to tableless. The other pages can also can be changed in similar manner but it could be time consuming.

If anyone is interested i can zip the whole thing and post it here for free download, assuming the forum rules  allow that.  

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[Bramus]

Any one made a new WB 2.7 Backend? Love to see some more interfaces.

[doc]

Hello Spida,

if you want to join the WB team, please send me a PM. For the WB 2.7 Interface it will be definitelly too late, but for a possible WB 2.8 you are more than welcome.

Regards Christian

[spida]

@ Spida: I am a man so it is he
Do you mean my backend files for WB 2.6 or what I started for WB 2.7?
Note that the style for WB 2.7 isn't finished and will not be in a short period because I am very very very busy right now.

Have been busy with other things, so, late reply now
Sex don't matter, gender don't matter, the person matters.
I meant the WB 2.7 backend files. I am fully aware that they are not finished yet, but if they are some day, would you like to share them? (Not just with me of course, haha).

@DGEC: Thanks for the details on the icons and your general note. That might explain to some people, what design is meant to achieve.

@escpro: Really, buddy, nobody ever wanted to deem your work. It is great that you have put your time and creativity into it. It's just a creative's regular experience to face critisism on his work. And that is just meant to help improve the work.

@ ALL in this forum: I have the impression that mainly technically oriented staff is developing WB. No offence meant, but it's a matter of fact that php programmers usually have not studied interface design or - even better - communication design and thus are not capable of creating a working interface. Therefore I want to suggest that the develelopment team is expanded with a design unit which is supposed to consist of trained designers.

Best regards to all,
spida

[DGEC]

BTW, I agree with the comments that the new icons are, um, not as good as they need to be.

Not to insult the artist but that's why we all need feedback, we cannot always get our thoughts across to everyone the first time and we all have different preferences. However, the drop shadow is REALLY overdone, and makes it harder to distinguish the image - i.e. harder to use.

Macsmet's designs look MUCH cleaner = clearer. And as stated, that translates into easier understanding and use and happier users.  (I'm not sure what stage he's at - some looked a bit rough and some were a step back in my opinion - but hopefully it can be finished up and be installable even if it isn't ready for 2.7)

DESIGN does not equal fancier ART/GRAPHICS.   Design uses graphics but design requires far more than that.

One example is the red circle with line through it.  That is NOT a Delete symbol!!  That is a disallowed symbol, for something like a hidden page or forbidden action. The garbage can (although a bit hard to see when so small) or a big X is much clearer as a delete symbol.   Obviously the old "paper with magnifying glass" going to the left or right is not sufficiently different to remember which symbol is which action (especially for dyslexic people!) but the something mouse? over a planet is hard to see and slightly confusing (to me at least) as well.

EDIT - Actually..... looking over ALL the icons again, most of them really are not bad. The only ones that I really can't stand are the Start Page ones.  But all it would take would be to reduce or eliminate the shadow and I think I could live with them.  I'm not sure where the "not allowed" for delete symbol was, but I know it was in there somewhere. Thankfully that was not used.
I guess putting the visibility icon to the left is ok, although, it kind of bothers me. Probably just not used to it.
The mouse on the world is okay I guess.

But the clock for Settings is still weird. Why not a wrench?

[DGEC]

I think the biggest problem are the icons. Either somebody can do them all together, or just use GPL ones, and only GPL icons, because WB is and will be OpenSource. 

Just to be clear, GPL is usually only considered to cover code.
Most open source graphics are CreativeCommons or similar licenses.

[Waldschwein]

Hello!

I think the biggest problem are the icons. Either somebody can do them all together, or just use GPL ones, and only GPL icons, because WB is and will be OpenSource. 
I can only say it was a great work of Escpro even he had not much time.
A good article about designing (the design of phpBB3): http://www.phpbb.com/development/prosilver/
You see? Of course we could wait now one year to find the perfect design, but we don't.
But it would be cool if some posted backend templates here could be used (and put to addons somewhere).

Regards Michael

[chio]

I dont really understand the agitation about the new design!
I think its a good step forward.

Of course someone could have done sometimes something somekind better - but why now that worries?
escpro has done a good work; i really dont think that the theme by MacSmet looks quite better. It looks like any other theme any one any time could have made. There is no arguing about taste.   
But maybe someone thinks that the Apple OSX options-button is part of this theme 

Maybe one of these heroes could start a contribution with a better loupe-icon?

[Argos]

I installed 2.7RC1 and was put off by the new admin look, so I deleted it and went back to WB 2.6.7. This new admin theme is really a big step back in my opinion, and it would be great to have at least the old interface available for 2.7Final.

Besides this, the theme by MacSmet looks nice as well.

[macsmet]

@ Spida: I am a man so it is he
Do you mean my backend files for WB 2.6 or what I started for WB 2.7?
Note that the style for WB 2.7 isn't finished and will not be in a short period because I am very very very busy right now.

[spida]

Alea jacta est.

Too bad, that with this version the interface doesn't equal the advanced technical status. But I agree with Vincent and would strongly suggest a thorough new branding concept, along with the above mentioned changes in WB's appearance.

In the meantime I'd like to ask macsmet whether he (or she?) would like to share the backend style files. I'd like to use your visuals rather than the old (wb 2.6.x) or the new stuff.

Regards,
Ayshe

[doc]

Hello,

the development team decided to take over the WB 2.7 RC 1 backend layout for the final WB 2.7 version. However, we may offer an optional package with the WB 2.6.x backend style with the final release of WebsiteBaker 2.7. So it is up to you to decide which backend layout you want to use. If you like none of the layouts, feel free to adapt the backend layout according to your needs. We started with updating the WB 2.7 documentation.

Regards Christian

[Ryan]

I personally preferred the original design, as it was clean and simple, as apposed to the new "glossy" look. However, since I am not putting the work in, I think those that are should have the right to have it used. The overall 2.7 menu changes are great, and the functionality is awesome.

[Stefek]

But for WB 3.0 it'd be good to have a brand new design to both the Admin section and the default template. Because indeed the way newcomers conceive a CMS (or any product)  is very much defined by its look and feel. I'm willing to contribute to it, maybe some of us could form a small project team and come with a proposal for 3.0 that visualizes the ease of WB... if this is the way WB teams work of course.
Vincent

This would be a great thing!!
I also would appreciate to contribute to this. 

Stefek

[Vincent]

I agree with spida. It's good to see that the issue of design, usability and branding is addressed, although I think for now we should not discuss too long. In my opinion Macsmets proposal is both an improvement to the current design, and doesn't drift away too much from the original GUI. I understand we don't have much time to discuss this matter since version 2.7 is released in few weeks time, which obviously should not be delayed.

But for WB 3.0 it'd be good to have a brand new design to both the Admin section and the default template. Because indeed the way newcomers conceive a CMS (or any product)  is very much defined by its look and feel. I'm willing to contribute to it, maybe some of us could form a small project team and come with a proposal for 3.0 that visualizes the ease of WB... if this is the way WB teams work of course.

Vincent