The Pacer EditionCMS

[WebBird]

the Pacer website don't show any leaders/devs/... so i want not beeing implicated with this fork!

That's the point. Thanks, mr-fan.

[mr-fan]

hi again,

i don't evil the fork! i only want show my state of the play!

if there has been a real alternative to WB i would be much curious and test it out! if a user see a better tool for his work he change - always keep eyes open for alternatives make you more flexible in your tasks...

yes - i know that John remove the logo! SORRY that i don't wrote that in my last post! sry john, too

but - i want that all who read this threat know that nowone ask for using this - there is no bond among you/me/portable and this fork

the Pacer website don't show any leaders/devs/... so i want not beeing implicated with this fork!


WebsiteBaker is more than the sum of his individual items! and a fork is just a splint - a splint can hurt but it is fast pulled out...

regards martin

[mickpage]

The fork was announced last year - here:
https://forum.WebsiteBaker.org/index.php/topic,11671.0.html

[Argos]

@Jurgen
The Fork is why the open discussion by Ryan begun. So read it for answers.

I see several discussions about the future development of WB. I don't see any relations with creating forks, I don't see any reasons why people started this fork, and I don't know who is behind it. I don't understand why these guys don't communicate better about their background, reasons and future plans. They just drop a fork, and that's it. The info on their own site is still empty, and it's unclear (to me) who is the team behind it. Very annoying.

[Stefek]

@Bianca,
I don't know all the facts what happened.
Maybe you're right.
Maybe talking to John directly is an good option.

@Jurgen
The Fork is why the open discussion by Ryan begun. So read it for answers.


Regards,
Stefek

[WebBird]

I don't want a battle. I just asked to remove my module from the bundle.

As far as I know, John asked the same for his work, and AMASP was responsive to this please. So why are we discussing legal rights here?

[Argos]

I still wonder who is behind the fork and why they have chosen to split...

[Stefek]

Hello Martin,

no need to becoming evilish.

As I stated before, I talked to John and he will remove the Logo from his project completly.

Bianca, also John produced a lot modules and as he started with some guys the fork, he asked to remove some of his modules from AMASP.
But the fact is, his productions were also under the GPL License. So.... we are still working with his contributions.

Even if I love WebsiteBaker, I do not think that there is a need for us for a battle like this.
They do not have such a manpower as WB got, but they have their own goals and ideas.

Some kind of a "minority religion" with heir own "gurus".  LOL

So I think we are not in the mid age and do not need this inquisition

Kind regards,
Stefek

[WebBird]

@Argos: Yes, I know that. So I asked to remove my module. I think it's a good test to check out how these guys act. As I said: I don't want a license discussion.

[mr-fan]

they also took the "WebsiteBaker Portable" Logo without asking me or the designer (stefek) of this Logo!

i will add CC 3.0 for Text&Graphics... to this project!

stealing graphics to irritate users is no penny!!
(just a little turning&bright it up...)

it is no good start for a fork - if they build up on 100% WB techniques - only bundle them....  

if this was a joke - i go and me a "mr-fan-CMS" with the WB core and my Fav-mods....

it shows the intent   - that noone real ask for such resources!

angry regards

martin

[Argos]

I'm afraid they have full right to use and distribute the module if you have published it under GPL... But they have to do that under GPL as well.

You can request anything, but it's up to them to comply with your request or not.

Personally I don't like the way these guys act. It would have been better to discuss their intentions with the community and WB developers, and ask cooperation from core and module developers. But legally I think they have the right to do what they do.

[WebBird]

I didn't want to start a legal discussion. I just asked to remove my module from the bundle. I think that's legitimate.

If the people who created this fork would like to get help and assistance from this community, they should meet this request. Without discussing licenses.

[mickpage]

I am no expert but having had a quick look at the GPL as far as I know there is nothing wrong with saying what your software was develeoped for but there are statements such as:

"modified versions you distribute must be licensed to all third parties under the GPL. "All third parties" means absolutely everyone. It means they have a license from you, under the GPL, for your version. "

That's what GPL is all about - anyone and everyone, regardless of whether you like it or not, can do what they like with your software - providing they keep your copyright intact and keep it licensed under GPL.

If you want to restrict the use of your software then GPL isn't the licence to use.

Perhaps a legal expert can assist.

[WebBird]

Please see the header of each file:

  Module developed for the Open Source Content Management System WebsiteBaker (http://websitebaker.org)
  Copyright (C) 2008, Bianka Martinovic

[mickpage]

Please remove EasyMenu from the download. This module is created for WebsiteBaker only. Thank you.

Interesting! As this is released under "GNU General Public License" then can't this be used by anyone?

[WebBird]

We would like to invite everyone within the WebsiteBaker Community to visit
The Pacer Edition Project

Link to Project: http://www.jcwebden.com

Please remove EasyMenu from the download. This module is created for WebsiteBaker only. Thank you.

[kweitzel]

If you have questions about this post argos or even anybody else, I suggest to actually ask them about this directly. Personally I don't see the fork as a threat ...

The fact that this Fork has nothing that WB does not have as a module comes from the fact that the makers contributed to WB first and then took their contributions into the core of their fork.

cheers

Klaus

[Argos]

I don't think I understand what the last two posters mean... Who are behind this new fork anyway? And why did they decide to move away from WB? And will they stop contributing to WB? And why should people use thsi fork instead of WB? There are a lot of questions...

[Luisehahne]

Sorry, then I develop a completely new, but no 1:1 copy with a few own changes. On Web there are good free php frameworks or libs to do that.

Dietmar

[kweitzel]

@all ... this fork exists because there are too many people involved who are unwilling to compromise ... the dialog was quite exhaustive last year.

cheers

Klaus

[Luckyluke]

Hi,

I regret that there is a fork of WB.
If the coders of WB and WB Pacer puts there heads together for a good dialogue, it can result in a very good version of WB 2.9 or 3.0.
Most of the people will stay with the original WB! But some go for the fork choice. And in the long run we will all choose the strongest product. Whether this is the 'original' WB or the Pacer Edition, the future will tell.

Grtz,
Luc

[Hans]

For me, it's not a thread, it's an challenge to bring out WB 2.8 as soon as possible. After all there's not much new in the fork, most features we have already in the form of modules. And there's no forum like this, with so many helping people.
But I aggree that's a pitty that some people that have contributed so much to WB leave and start their own CMS. It's time to investigate why this could happen, what could be the reason and what we could do to prevent things like this in the future.
Hans

Edit: made some changes because my English is not wat it should be (hope there are no more spelling issues, but I doubt, hope I'm understandable though)

[Luisehahne]

I mean, "There can be only an one"

Dietmar

[Argos]

Too bad, this could be the beginning of the end. Instead of working together on the same project, after Ryans departure, people decide to create forks. I don't even see any real differences, there is some untrue info, and and there's lots of information missing. I don't like this a bit. Of course anyone is free to create a fork, but it will weaken the project as a whole.

[Stefek]

Hello Martin.
Thanks for your PM.

Here for all:
I didn't know about the usage of this Logo by John.
As mentioned before:
The Logo I created for Martins WB Portable Edition was created ONLY for this purpose.
If Martin wants to use this Logo in the next release, we will need to place a copyright notice to the footer in order to avoid such mistakes for the future.

I think the Logo and all the Graphics done for this Project are good and loudspeaking and I would like to keep them for that purpose.

I talked with John over Skype tonight and he promised to remove the Logo as soon as possible.
He didn't want to steal anything, he told. He just wanted to show a familiarity to the WebsiteBaker Project, which I think is OK and understandable.

BTW I took a look at the feature list, which sound nice and I am curious as I also am curious about the edgeCMS being created by Ryan.

But I am mostly interested what will happen here:
https://forum.websitebaker.org/index.php/topic,11680.0.html

So long....
Stefek